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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   11th October 2013, 6:26 pm

posted by Nimue on Monday, November 7th 2011

I wonder how these reporters can get what the Pastor said to Murray...

It reminds me Michael going to the Church at 2005....


Very interesting video:



Family to sue Michael Jackson's doctor, guilty or not

THE family of Michael Jackson is preparing to sue Conrad Murray, the doctor on trial for killing the pop star, no matter what verdict the jury reaches this week.

Jackson's father, Joseph, wants money from a civil action for "emotional distress" to fund a charity that would help millions of Americans addicted to prescription drugs. It is a tacit admission that his son's history of drug abuse may have contributed to his death two years ago.

Legal pundits said the fact that the jury did not reach a speedy verdict on Friday means they may find some of the evidence against Dr Murray unconvincing.

Murray was in debt when he went to work at Jackson's west Los Angeles mansion six months before Jackson was found dead in bed on June 25, 2009. He was never paid the $US150,000 monthly wage promised by the pop star.

But the Jackson family will demand millions for the distress they say they have suffered. "They are angry, they hold Murray responsible for Michael's fatherless children and want him to pay in every way," said a family associate last week.

On Friday night (AEDT) Jackson's older sister, La Toya, tweeted: "Justice has to be served on Murray and then we must go after the other conspirators."

The Las Vegas doctor faces up to four years in low-security jail and may also lose his medical licence in California, although he can reapply for it on release.

Dr Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, a Texan who took the California bar exam so he could represent the cardiologist, took the risky approach of blaming the victim for his own death during the six-week trail.

Mr Chernoff said Jackson endangered his health as he "doctor shopped" to get the pills he craved.

He had been taking Propofol, a powerful sedative, every night through an IV drip. Dr Murray bought four gallons before Jackson's planned London shows.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/family-to-sue-michael-jacksons-doctor-guilty-or-not/story-e6frg6so-1226187022678



Some comments about the verdict (some I am not sure, I have to watch the video):

Before the verdict, the judge noticed that in the verdict had some mistakes: - the date of "death" was typed wrong. Instead of June 25th it said June 9th?!?

Very different dates.

Also the judge said Murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter of the "alleged" victim on the "alleged" date

Alleged?

Should a verdict have a victim and a date for the crime?

Latoya said on HLN
"Michael loves his fans and he loves everyone here and guess what he was in the court room today and thats why we had victory"

randyjacksonjr Randy Jackson Jr.


The Pawn has been convicted but now its time for the Hidden Hand behind the Plan... JUSTICE will be served. Thank you all for the support!!!
17 minutes ago

I think we got our clue...
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 6:38 am

posted by ElkeHassell on Monday, November 7th 2011

And now what girls????? Gulty, handcuffed and remanded. Missed everything today, but knew it would happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 6:38 am

posted by Nimue on Monday, November 7th 2011

I think Randy answered your question Elke.

My opinion:
The verdict didn't change my opinion which is Michael is alive. I never thought that the outcome of this trial would be the essential factor to define if there was a hoax or not. I never took in consideration the outcome of the trial because we really don't know what part Murray has or had on it.


I also never thought Michael would come back because of the trial. As Jermaine said once: "The trial will not bring Michael back".

We don't even know how serious this will really be for Murray; He is filming a documentary since the day he was charged back at 2010 aiming for 1 million dollars, he wrote in his letter to his patients that he would stop practicing "indefinitely" (maybe he knew the outcome).He probably will not serve jail time, he may do it with community service.
The fact he was taken in custody today may not mean anything. When he was charged back at 2010 (and didn't paid the bail until today) he remained in custody for serveral days.

All that we have found in the past show it is a hoax.

I do believe Michael has and had serious reasons to fake his death and they are more serious than any outcome on this trial.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 6:39 am

posted by The Fairy on Monday, November 7th 2011

I couldnt agree more Nimue...

Murray was the obvious one to blame for this conspiracy and now that we have dealt with this obvious issue it is time to look for the bad guys behind this plot. A lot will happen in the coming days as the various players will be able to talk about the trial and the outcome. It will be extremely interesting to see if Murray will make any hint towards AEG and others. Randy is right on about that. The hoax was never supposed to end in this trial. If so we would have a lot of really bad guys on trial instead of Murray.

The trial was the obvious reaction out in public to what could have happened on June 24. Now that is settled and many of the fans feel justice has been served and we are ready to move on to the next in line.

It will be a bumpy but genius road we are embarking on. A lot to happen.

I for one am thrilled...
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 6:45 am

posted by Nimue on Monday, November 7th 2011
LAPD Rejoices
Over Guilty Verdict




The LAPD couldn't be happier with today's guilty verdict in the Conrad Murray manslaughter trial -- telling TMZ, the verdict represents a "victory " in the eyes of law enforcement.

A rep for the LAPD issued the statement -- claiming, the department "applauded" the jury's verdict.

According to the rep, "Today's verdict of guilty is confirmation that the combined efforts of our investigators, criminalists, Coroner investigators and the District Attorney's Office were sound."

The rep adds, "The investigators have worked diligently on this case and were confident throughout the process that the investigation supported the allegation of involuntary manslaughter."


http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/conrad-murray-trial-lapd-guilty/#.Trh35XKaDh4

Why LAPD would be happy with any verdict? Was this the only case LAPD did investigate?


I think it has started, Fairy. TMZ suddenly is going wild:

Conrad Murray Prosecution
What's Wrong with This Picture?




The man of the hour -- Prosecutor David Walgren -- who won the Conrad Murray case, might as well have been sent to Siberia by his boss, L.A. County District Attorney Steve Cooley, because he was completely out of the shot as Cooley took credit for the victory.

It's pretty stunning, given that the winning prosecutor typically addresses the media after a verdict, but even if the D.A. was exercising caution while the sentence is pending, Cooley didn't even allow Walgren to stand next to him.

Instead of Walgren, Cooley was flanked by his number 2, Jackie Lacey, and D.A. honcho Pat Dixon. Choosing Lacey is an audacious move on Cooley's part, since he personally chose her to run as his successor in the 2012 election.

A D.A. spokesperson said Lacey was standing next to Cooley because, "It's like Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock."


http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/conrad-murray-trial-prosecution-da-cooley-jackie-lacey-david-walgren/#.Trh6G3KaDh4


Some comments about the verdict:

Pearljr

Verdict reached @ 11-7-11 @ 11 am - There's our 3 elevens & a 7 - NOT A COINCIDENCE????

A Message from John Branca and John McClain, Co-Executors of The Estate of Michael Jackson

The Estate of Michael Jackson and Michael himself has always believed the jury system works and despite the tragedy that brought about this trial we are in agreement with the jury's verdict. In this case Justice has been served. Michael is missed on a daily basis but his genius and his music will be with us forever. He is "the greatest entertainer that has ever lived"


http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/message-john-branca-and-john-mcclain-co-executors-estate-michael-jackson

La Toya Jackson

by MJHOAXLIVE
Michael I love you and I will continue to fight until ALL are brought to justice!

Pearljr

"Alleged Victim" means they haven't confirmed it is the BODY of Michael JOE Jackson-still not listed in Forest Lawn Database, just checked!

Pearljr

Why did Steve Cooley take centerstage when Walgren did all the work? Sting operation "ALLEGED VICTIM" & "ALLEGED DATE" read with verdict?

RealGenevieveJ Genevieve Jackson
Conrad Murray was just the 1st to go down, The universe will expose the rest of them very soon. The dark always comes to light. #JUSTICE

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 6:49 am

posted by Nimue on Tuesday, November 8th 2011

Now this is interesting..

Even after the verdict, it is news:

'Keep Away Prisoner'


Law enforcement tells TMZ ... Dr. Conrad Murray has been deemed a "keep away inmate" -- which means jail officials will be taking special precautions to keep him safe during his stint behind bars.

We're told Murray will be assigned a single cell for his own protection -- and he'll also be assigned an "escort" to keep an eye on the doc wherever he goes inside the jail ... including shower time.

Officials tell us Murray will not be allowed to mingle with the general inmate population -- which is a blessing and a curse for Murray ... who will surely feel safer, but also INCREDIBLY lonely at the same time


http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/dr-conrad-murray-keep-away-prisoner/#.TrjiPnKaDh4

A few posts back I wrote: "He probably will not serve jail time, he may do it with community service".

When I was posting I erased a sentence in my post that was : "We don't even know if he was taken in custody, to disappear from the scene or if he is being protected".

I erased this part because I thought it was too soon to talk about other possible scenarios in the hoax for Murray.

Reading this TMZ article does not look that I was too off in my thinking..

In my country, people with college degree get their own cell when if they are arrested, but no other special treatment.

Murray will get his own bodyguard paid by the people in his time inside the jail....

""escort" to keep an eye on the doc wherever he goes inside the jail'.

Why does he deserve this special treatment?

Is he really in custody and inside the jail?

No witness that he is or he is not there...
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 6:50 am

posted by ElkeHassell on Monday, November 7th 2011


what is it with the ALLEGED VICTIM, THE ALLEGED DATE AND THE ALLEGED INCIDENT?????

Admin. now I posted the long link of this and still no video is coming up???
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 6:51 am

posted by Nimue on Tuesday, November 8th 2011

I forgot to question some other things in my last post:

From whom Murray needs to be protected?

Is this related to what he says in his documentary?


A lot of things to think about. This is a Pearl Jr. video you know the drill:

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:02 am

posted by The Fairy on Tuesday, November 8th 2011

ElkeHassel wrote:
what is it with the ALLEGED VICTIM, THE ALLEGED DATE AND THE ALLEGED INCIDENT?????

Admin. now I posted the long link of this and still no video is coming up???
Oh this is embaressing.. Actually your vid about the verdict did show up Elke, but as I moved the post over here where we have posts about "alleged" this and that, I lost the link.. So sorry.

There are so many vids from the verdict on YouTube and couldnt find the one you posted.

This one has a legal analyst and Diane Sawyer sharing her moments with Michael Maybe she forgot how much she has always haunted him...

But nice footage of Michael..



Lets gather the thoughts on "alleged" here from previous posts...

Nimue wrote:
Also the judge said Murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter of the "alleged" victim on the "alleged" date ... Alleged? Should a verdict have a victim and a date for the crime?
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Pearljr

"Alleged Victim" means they haven't confirmed it is the BODY of Michael JOE Jackson-still not listed in Forest Lawn Database, just checked!

Pearljr

Why did Steve Cooley take centerstage when Walgren did all the work? Sting operation "ALLEGED VICTIM" & "ALLEGED DATE" read with verdict?
Now when looking up the term "alleged" we get to the following definition

Wiki:

An allegation (also called adduction) is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved

Allegation

A statement of claimed fact contained in a complaint (a written pleading filed to begin a lawsuit), a criminal charge, or an affirmative defense (part of the written answer to a complaint). Until each statement is proved it is only an allegation. Some allegations are made "on information and belief" if the person making the statement is not sure of a fact. (law.com)


It is noteworthy that what we are dealing with in the Murray case, the date, the victim and the place are "alleged". For an alleged issue to become a fact it has to be proved.

Remember this?

Conrad Murray - I wanna be like Kobe

Michael Jackson's doc rocked a Kobe Bryant jersey out in Santa Monica before yesterday's game -- a huge risk, considering when Conrad Murray lends his support, things don't always pan out ...



But Kobe came through in the end yesterday -- inching out a victory over the Houston Rockets 112 -110.
We have this subject on http://www.igroops.com/members/httpfairycom/comm/READ/00001031/Conrad-Murray----I-Wanna-Be-Like-Kobe.html

If we compare this to the case against Kobe Bryant in 2004, there was talk whether to call the other party in this case "the alleged victim" of "the accuser". Lets see what this article has to say about the effect this would have on the jury:

Now that the trial is underway, it is time to review some key developments in the cultural
spectacle that is The People of Colorado vs. Kobe Bryant.

The ruling in July by the judge in the case that some aspects of Bryant’s alleged victim’s sexual activity – before or after she met the Lakers star – will be admissible in court was a major setback not only for the prosecution, but potentially for all rape victims.
By now everyone knows that the alleged victim’s sexual choices have successfully been used against her in the media. As the trial proceeds, it remains to be seen how much Bryant’s defense attorneys will manage to avoid the spirit, if not the letter, of rape shield laws intended to prevent just this sort of abuse. Victim advocates are clearly worried.

But another disturbing development in this mega high-profile case has already dealt a
devastating blow to rape victims in the court of public opinion. It is the way journalists
and others on TV and in print have for months been calling the now 20-year-old
Colorado college student Kobe Bryant’s “accuser.”

Language matters, in court and out. Whether it is intentional or not, the widespread
practice of calling the basketball superstar’s alleged victim his “accuser” has contributed
to a shift in people’s perspective on what happened in that Eagle, Colorado hotel room in
the summer of 2003.

Instead of focusing our attention on the merits or deficiencies of the prosecution’s case against the defendant, Kobe Bryant, the use of the term “accuser” has subtly but profoundly turned people’s attention to the actions of the young woman.

As in so many rape cases – tried either in criminal court or in the 24-7 media – the effect
is to put her behavior on trial, not his.

What are her sexual practices? Does she have
emotional problems? What motive might she have to falsely accuse a famous man she had previously held in high regard?


This fixation on her totally overshadows questions about the actual defendant in this case:
what are Kobe Bryant’s sexual practices? Is the recent public disclosure that at least one
other woman alleges he groped her evidence of a pattern in his behavior toward women?
Does he have emotional problems? What could be his motives for forcing a woman to submit to him sexually just minutes after she walked into his hotel room?

It remains to be seen what physical and testimonial evidence will be presented in court.

But the now-routine practice of calling her “the accuser” has already given Bryant a huge advantage with the jury pool, because it deftly inverts their respective roles in the
criminal justice process. The alleged victim is now the one doing something to Bryant –
she’s accusing him.

It almost appears – to the casual observer – that he is not really the one who is on trial for
committing an act of violent sexual aggression. Instead, he has become the victim of her
accusation.


Now the article deals with who looks as the "victim" in a case, whether it is the man on trial (Kobe Bryant) or the other party (the girl). The article is a criticism of how the media sways the public's opinion calling the girl "the accuser", making Kobe Bryant "the victim" instead of her being the victim of the crime, she claims was committed.

Now if we compare this to Michael's own trial we will see that the media would sometimes call Gavin "the accuser" and sometimes "the alleged victim"

Example:

Gavin Arvizo, the accuser, was born in December 1989, hence he was 13 years old in February and March 2003, when allegedly the crimes were committed. The accuser admits that he has often misbehaved in class at his middle school, and often failed to do his homework. At some stage he had problems with almost all teachers

In 2005, Michael Jackson went to trial on child molestation charges. The alleged victim was a boy, Gavin Arvizo, referred to as "The Accuser." Arvizo was 13 years old at the time of the alleged crimes. Michael Jackson was indicted for conspiracy with five (unindicted) co-conspirators to abduct the accuser, his sister, and his brother, falsely imprison and extort the same children and their mother, and for sexually molesting the accuser


We may argue whether the term "accuser" is more or less bias to Michael Jackson than the term "alleged victim", but sometimes the media seemed to have conveniently slipped the word "alleged" and simply called Gavin "the victim", which of course indicates the crime had taken place.

In the public opinion, the word "alleged" played a big part in Michael's case exactly because there is a big difference saying "The alleged victim" or "The victim". I believe that is one of the reasons its being used in this trial. Another way, together with the old TMZ article about Murray wanting to be like Kobe Bryant that Michael is drawing attention to his own trial.

The second thing here is of course as I started saying...

An allegation (also called adduction) is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved

What this means is that "alleged victim" and "alleged date" in the Murray case is that the victim and the date have not been proven.

When normally making an allegation, it is normally the prosecution claiming a crime has taken place and they have to prove it was indeed a crime and it did in fact take place. For instance if a person disappears and someone is being charged with killing this person but the person who disappeared is the "alleged victim" cause there is no proof he is dead. It is then up to the prosecution to prove he is dead in order to convict the defendant of the murder.

Michael did in fact "disappear" and as hoaxers we know that. But the official version is that he died on June 24 and therefore the term "alleged" do not apply. He should have been referred to as "the deceased" or by his name only. But when the judge (and note that this isnt only the prosecution or the defense using this term) says "alleged victim" and "alleged date", he is protecting himself and the legal proceedings. When Michael comes back the judge will claim that it was never "proven" that Michael did die on that date.

Not only are we being reminded it is a hoax, but we also see the judge setting the stage for the future by using these terms.



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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:05 am

posted by Nimue on Tuesday, November 8th 2011

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Quote from mjmtc on Tuesday, November 8th 2011 @ 2:39 AM

Nimue wrote:
Also the judge said Murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter of the "alleged" victim on the "alleged" date ... Alleged? Should a verdict have a victim and a date for the crime?
Michael did in fact "disappear" and as hoaxers we know that. But the official version is that he died on June 24 and therefore the term "alleged" do not apply. He should have been referred to as "the deceased" or by his name only. But when the judge (and note that this isnt only the prosecution or the defense using this term) says "alleged victim" and "alleged date", he is protecting himself and the legal proceedings. When Michael comes back the judge will claim that it was never "proven" that Michael did die on that date.

Not only are we being reminded it is a hoax, but we also see the judge setting the stage for the future by using these terms.
I think you said with all words here.

None other verdicts says "alleged" in real cases, because if the jurors got to a guilty verdict it means it is a fact because it was proved by the prossecution. So the verdict should state this as a fact and instead of the alleged victim it should state at least the name of the victim without being alleged Michael Joseph Jackson.

Apart the fact of Michael's wrong middle name, which Pearl points out in her video the date it seems to be alleged too: "Michael JOE Jackson didn't die on Jun 25".

I agree with you, this exonerates the jurors, the judge, everyone of any charges when Michael comes back, because it wasn't about him.

NOTE: In the verdict at 2005 Michael was called Michael JOE Jackson!


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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:10 am

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Law enforcement tells TMZ ... Dr. Conrad Murray has been deemed a "keep away inmate" -- which means jail officials will be taking special precautions to keep him safe during his stint behind bars.

We're told Murray will be assigned a single cell for his own protection -- and he'll also be assigned an "escort" to keep an eye on the doc wherever he goes inside the jail ... including shower time.

Officials tell us Murray will not be allowed to mingle with the general inmate population -- which is a blessing and a curse for Murray ... who will surely feel safer, but also INCREDIBLY lonely at the same time


Murray will get his own bodyguard paid by the people in his time inside the jail...."escort" to keep an eye on the doc wherever he goes inside the jail'.Why does he deserve this special treatment?Is he really in custody and inside the jail?No witness that he is or he is not there...
My thoughts exactly Nimue when I saw Murray walking down that hallway...


I think the deal with the handcuffs was partly to remind us of Michaels trial but also to create a dramatic background, showing everybody that Murray really was being taken into custody. But noone knows if he just went out the door and went "home". Kinda reminds me of Jermaine saying he planned to let Michael escape because he thought he would be convicted. Murray would have plenty of places to stay.

Nimue wrote:
From whom Murray needs to be protected?
From the bad guys... as they would be worried he would start talking about them. Question is if this is actually a witness protection program, not of Michael but of Murray. Him being protected by being placed "somewhere" noone really knows. This way the bad guys wont get to him.
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:13 am

posted by Nimue on Tuesday, November 8th 2011
Conrad Murray placed on suicide watch at jail

Dr. Conrad Murray was placed on suicide watch at the L.A. County Jail on Monday, hours after he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Michael Jackson's death and being taken into custody.

Immediately after the verdict, Murray was placed in handcuffs at the direction of the judge, to remain behind bars pending his Nov. 29 sentencing.

A law enforcement source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment, said Murray was placed on suicide watch once in custody.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/conrad-murray-placed-on-suicide-watch-at-jail.html

I found this in another forum. Just to keep the record about the DA Steve Cooley:


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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:18 am

posted by MaryJo on Tuesday, November 8th 2011

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Law enforcement tells TMZ ... Dr. Conrad Murray has been deemed a "keep away inmate" -- which means jail officials will be taking special precautions to keep him safe during his stint behind bars.

We're told Murray will be assigned a single cell for his own protection -- and he'll also be assigned an "escort" to keep an eye on the doc wherever he goes inside the jail ... including shower time.

Officials tell us Murray will not be allowed to mingle with the general inmate population -- which is a blessing and a curse for Murray ... who will surely feel safer, but also INCREDIBLY lonely at the same time


Why does he deserve this special treatment?
My comment: Its protocol for high profile cases to get perferred treatment in jail. Murray isnt high profile character but MJ is.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/dec/09/oj-simpson-get-higher-protective-custody-prison/
O.J. Simpson to get higher protective custody in prison
NFL Hall of Famer to be housed away from other inmates for his own protection


This is O.J. Simpson's booking photo in Nevada's High Desert State Prison.

CARSON CITY – O. J. Simpson will likely remain in a single prison cell for several months to guard against another inmate attempting to attack him to gain fame, a state correction official says.

Howard Skolnik, director of the state Department of Corrections, said Simpson is not considered a high security risk and probably won’t be sent to the state prison in Ely, where the most dangerous inmates, including those on death row, are confined.

But, he said, Simpson would receive higher “protective custody” because Simpson “might be the vehicle for somebody else becoming famous.”

“If you were a young gang member trying to make a name for yourself or just any inmate trying to make a name for yourself looking for your 15 minutes of fame, OJ would be a great vehicle to get there,” Skolnik said.
Simpson was transferred Monday from the Clark County jail to the High Desert State Prison in Southern Nevada for 21-days of evaluation before a decision is made where to locate him. His co-defendant Clarence “CJ” Stewart was received today at the High Desert State Prison. The two will not mingle during the assessment process.

Skolnik said at a news conference at the Nevada State Prison that Simpson and Stewart could be located in the same prison after their evaluation. But, he said, that will depend on the assessment.

Once assigned a permanent location, Simpson will be permitted to have visitors.

The director stressed Simpson would not receive any special treatment.

Simpson, 61, was sentenced to 9-33 years in prison after being convicted of the robbery of two memorabilia dealers at gunpoint in a hotel room in Las Vegas in September 2007. Skolnik said Simpson would probably come up for his first parole hearing in five years from the first of his several sentences.
Stewart, 54, received 7 years to 27 years.

Asked if Simpson was considered a high security risk, Skolnik said, “Not really. The high security aspect of this is frankly all the notoriety that he’s been given, not the nature of the offenses. The offenses themselves are pretty representative of the prison population.”

If he was not given this much attention, Simpson would probably go to one of the medium security prisons where he would be in the general population, Skolnik said.

During the 21 day evaluation, he will be given medical and psychiatric examination and interviewed before determining where he will be placed.

The director said Simpson so far has been cooperative.

Asked why the extra precaution is being taken, Skolnik said “serious consideration”



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‎#ConradMurray is NOT on suicide watch in the Los Angeles County jail.




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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:23 am

posted by Nimue on Tuesday, November 8th 2011

I am not sure if this is part of this thread anymore...

1st Meal Behind Bars -- Super Cheeeesy


He's barely been locked up a couple hours -- but TMZ has learned, Dr. Conrad Murray has already been offered a delicious sacked lunch behind bars ... including jailhouse-baked cookies.

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ, Murray's first meal contained a cheese sandwich, some fruit punch, a few carrot sticks, and some homemade Oreo-knockoff cookies ... baked in the jail's own bakery.

No word on whether Murray actually ate any of it, but we're guessing he didn't have much of an appetite


http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/07/conrad-murray-sack-lunch-jail/?adid=recentlyupdatedstories#.TrmTcHKaDh4

I am trying to understand hw TMZ gets so many details from what is happening inside of the jail and why it is so important to write so many articles about Murray in less the 24 hours.

Reading all of this I have the feeling that TMZ is trying to convince someone that Murray is really behind the bars when "he is not" (sorry weird thought).


And again... TMZ does not even give me some time to process the news, I am about to give up....

Extra Protection at the Jail Medical Ward



Dr. Conrad Murray is currently being held in the medical ward at the L.A. County Men's Central Jail -- but it's NOT because there's anything wrong with him ... TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement tells us ... Murray has been assigned to the medical ward while he's being processed -- as opposed to the regular holding area.

We're told the medical ward has a "higher density of deputies" -- which means it's easier for officers to keep an eye on a high profile prisoner like Murray when he's in the M.W.

As we previously reported, Murray has been deemed a "keep away prisoner" -- which means officials must keep an eye on the doc at all times, as a matter of his own protection.

There are several reports that Murray is on suicide watch -- but officials at the jail tell us those reports are incorrect.


http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/08/conrad-murray-suicide-watch-medical-ward/#.TrmV-XKaDh4

"as a matter of his own protection"

Murray walked around from Miami to New York without any protection and now he needs protetion. It was more dangerous before when an angry or mad person could do something to him on the street...

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:30 am

posted by ElkeHassell on Tuesday, November 8th 2011

Conrad Murray Booking Sheet
One HUMONGOUS Inmate




Good luck finding an orange jumpsuit big enough for a 6'5", 211 pound man!!!

Dr. Conrad Murray has been entered into the system at the Twin Towers Correction Facility in Los Angeles ... and the booking sheet contains all of his stats -- height, weight, eye color, etc.

Fun Fact -- Murray turns 59 on Feb. 19 ... and he shares a birthday with Seal and Justine Bateman!



I know that this might not be the right place to put this but seeing that this asshole was asked his opinion on MJ death and trial I thought I put it here.

Kurt Loder:
MJ Was a Child Molester




http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_audio/110811_kurt_loder_mj_audio.mp3

Kurt Loder -- the longtime face of "MTV News" -- says he believes Michael Jackson was a child molester.

Loder appeared on the "Jeff and Jeremy in the Morning" radio show this morning ... when he was asked if he thought MJ's death was a tragedy.

Loder replied, "Its a shame how he grew up ... his childhood was a shame ... there is many sad aspects to his life, ... on the other hand, I think he was a child molester, and that sort of tempers any feelings you might have about him."

When asked why he believed MJ molested kids, Loder claimed he knew about secret payouts to the parents of little boys ... and pointed to MJ's bizarre behavior.

"Having sleepovers with little boys, and you're a 40 year old man??? Uh, NO. You're like a child molester."

Loder continues, "Maybe being a child molester is the product of a pretty terrible childhood he had ... you can see why that might have happened. On the other hand, molesting children is bad."



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Loder continues, "Maybe being a child molester is the product of a pretty terrible childhood he had ... you can see why that might have happened. On the other hand, molesting children is bad."
I am really, really upset about it and I am hurting real bad. They even had one of their polls on there again.

A) Dead on : 74 PERCENT

B) Inappropriate " 26 PERCENT

total votes 123,000

meaning that 100,000 people in the US still think he is a Child Molester. I feel actually physically sick, I cannot believe that TMZ would start with this crap again, that article received more comments than the entire Murray Trial. What does that tell us!!!!

I really don't want MJ to come back at all, to deal with this *****!!!!! Its so f.....ing wrong

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:35 am

posted by Nimue on Wednesday, November 9th 2011
Quote :
Quote from ElkeHassell on Tuesday, November 8th 2011 @ 5:02 PM

Good luck finding an orange jumpsuit big enough for a 6'5", 211 pound man!!!

Dr. Conrad Murray has been entered into the system at the Twin Towers Correction Facility in Los Angeles ... and the booking sheet contains all of his stats -- height, weight, eye color, etc.

Fun Fact -- Murray turns 59 on Feb. 19 ... and he shares a birthday with Seal and Justine Bateman!
Interesting when I read the first thing that came to my mind was 9/11.

Here some info from the place allegedly Murray is:



The Twin Towers Correctional Facility is a unique complex built on 10 acres of land with buildings that contain just under 1.5 million square feet. Twin Towers consists of two towers, a medical services building, and the Los Angeles County Medical Center Jail Ward. The towers, which have been constructed using an efficient Panoptic design, to house maximum security inmates and a large portion of the county's mental health inmates. The Medical Services Building provides inpatient housing for inmates with various levels of acute medical and mental health needs. Inmates requiring extended levels of health care service are transported to the Los Angeles County Medical Center.

Pending
Capt. Anthony Ward
450 Bauchet Street
Los Angeles, CA 90012

Inmate information is
available 24 hours a day
by calling (213) 473-6100

http://la-sheriff.org/divisions/custody/twintowers/index.html

More pictures:

http://www.twintowersjail.info/

The same place where Paris Hilton was..

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23400384-parents-visit-cold-and-tired-paris-hilton.do

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:42 am

posted by ElkeHassell on Wednesday, November 9th 2011

***** caused his own death

by: Paul Toohey
From: Herald Sun
November 09, 2011 12:00AM




THE faces of the Jackson clan, leaving the Los Angeles Superior Court after Conrad Murray was found guilty of killing their son and brother, Michael, were a little too delighted.

Where were they for the past 20 years? They knew.

Cardiologist Conrad Murray just happened to be the one who got caught.
Michael Jackson was a well-known doctor shopper who would head out on to the streets on LA, with his personal assistants, in a fleet of blue Cadillac Escalade SUVs, to try his luck with whichever doctor could give him what he needed.

He needed a lot.

Jackson's assistants recounted during the trial of taking their boss, MJ, as they called him, to a certain doctor's office. He would walk in on his own two feet, and a short time later come out staggering and slurring, needing to be held up.

Jackson's staff didn't tell anyone. They didn't do anything. Where was their duty of care, their moral fortitude? There was none.

Where does the Jackson family get off pretending Michael's was a sudden and unexpected death? Do they really believe one man is to blame?

Where were the other doctor-dealers in this trial?

Conrad Murray got caught.
No one disagrees that Murray, the convicted felon, is guilty. The jury was right. But he is not the sole killer of the King of Pop. There are fingerprints all over Jackson's body. The most telling prints are Jackson's own. Jackson killed himself.

Murray's sins truly were egregious. He administered to Jackson a powerful and dangerous anaesthetic, Propofol, outside of the hospital environment. The drug is typically used to put car crash victims under for surgery.

Murray should have ensured there was more than one experienced medical person on hand when such drugs were administered; and there should have been a full suite of heart - and respiratory - monitoring equipment.

Murray had none of that. What he did have was a star client who paid him $150,000 a month to give him drugs.
Before Murray did his deal with Jackson, he had several clinics and was a highly regarded cardiologist. He didn't need the pop star. But a part of him did.

Former patients who appeared as witnesses had tears in their eyes describing the great work Murray had done to get them back on their feet after their hearts gave way. Murray probably could have made more money staying where he was.

But keeping company with Michael Jackson was too great a lure. Murray, who had started to hang out with squealing, gorgeous, cocktail-waitress women, was having what he thought was the perfect mid-life crisis.

Jackson detected weakness in others. He destroyed Murray as much as Murray destroyed Jackson.

Petulant, weird, dodgy, creepy, brilliant, rich and needy, Jackson played to Murray's arrogance and greed.
"Milk" is what Jackson called Propofol, a powerful anaesthetic that he needed to get to sleep. Milk. Just like a baby.

It doesn't seem likely that Murray was the person who introduced Jackson to Propofol. It was Jackson's preferred drug, one that he had been using for a long time.

Propofol is a powerful but short-acting drug. Jackson had insomnia. Or, to put it another way, he took a swathe of drugs that kept him up or kept him down. Propofol was useful because it could knock him out. Even though the drug wore off fast, the idea was it would give him a sleep he could keep.

He signed Murray up because he needed a compliant doctor to come on tour with him for his forthcoming This Is It series of concerts in London. Murray was charmed because Murray was vain. Jackson made Murray forget he was a doctor.
If you name your child Prince, it follows that you believe you are the King.

And he really was a genius, of the old school. He could sing and he could dance. Billie Jean is among the greatest pop songs ever produced. The musical changes in Man in the Mirror are astounding. But the words in Man in the Mirror, which talk about a man recognising his place in society, are an astounding lie.

We know "it doesn't matter if you're black or white", but here is a man who betrayed his race by trying to become Caucasian.

Don't Stop? I won't.
Jackson should not have been permitted to have care of his own children, given his long-standing condition. But money, deals, arrangements, blind eyes, contracts, and the same enchantment that got Conrad Murray also got the California family courts, and he was deemed a suitable father.

He could afford it.

Murray knew he was wrong. Still, it was hard not to feel deeply for Murray when the judge announced he would not be granted bail and the court's sheriffs cuffed him.

Murray recoiled in horror. He did not resist, he just did not expect to be treated as a criminal, because he never in his heart believed he was.

He had merely bought into the Jackson dream at precisely the wrong time, when Jackson was already at his weakest and more or less - through no fault of Murray's - already dead.
Jackson was totally incapable of taking on the This Is It tour but killed himself trying to make it happen.

The beautiful and painful thing about America is that when you're found guilty, you all go into the same place, and the whole country - and the whole world - is allowed to see it.

We like the idea that a high-earning, university-educated man can suffer the same ignominy as gun-wielding crim. We like it with Bernie Madoff, Christopher Skase and now with Conrad Murray.

Deserved as Murray's degradation was, there was something very sad about it, and something very unsatisfactory.

The Jackson family's so-called cries for justice were hollow. How can they pretend that Murray alone killed Michael? Conrad Murray owns one-tenth of the guilt in this case. But seven-tenths of that guilt belongs to Jackson himself.
When Jermaine and La Toya came out of that courtroom, they celebrated the conviction without any hint of humility, common sense or decency. Yet the Jackson family, given their wilful blindness, should consider it remarkable that Michael even made it to the age of 50.

Anyone who followed the case closely, if they had any heart, would have felt a great deal of pity for the former doctor, Conrad Murray.

Of him, and Michael Jackson, this once great heart surgeon was the loss. Jackson was well beyond repair when Murray met him.

Paul Toohey is US correspondent



http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-attorney-who-defended-Jackson-s-doctor-2258278.php
Houston attorney who defended Jackson's doctor pushes for probation
By ALLAN TURNER, HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Updated 08:20 p.m., Tuesday, November 8, 2011





Houston and Texas

One day after a Los Angeles jury convicted his client of giving pop superstar Michael Jackson a lethal dose of anesthetic, Houston defense lawyer Edward Chernoff reflected Tuesday on what went wrong in one of the most sensational, media-charged celebrity cases in recent history.

"The biggest challenge was that they wanted and needed a conviction," Chernoff said, identifying the "they" as "the majority of individuals in Jackson's life."
On Monday, the seven-man, five-woman jury found Dr. Conrad Murray, a cardiologist whose work included a Houston practice, guilty of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death. In less than two days, jurors sifted through 22 days of testimony from almost 50 witnesses.

Murray, 58, faces up to four years in prison.

"Let me put it this way," Chernoff said. "We're going to try to convince the judge that probation is the appropriate sentence."

Pledging to appeal, Chernoff said Monday's verdict devastated the physician.

"He never contemplated being convicted," the lawyer said.

Jackson, 50, died in June 2009 after being administered a potent anesthetic, propofol, the so-called "milk of amnesia," as a sleeping aid. Murray had been retained as the musician's private physician at a salary of $150,000 a month.
"There's not another case like this," Chernoff said in describing the media frenzy surrounding the trial. "When I went to get the verdict, there were hundreds of people yelling and screaming. There were helicopters overhead. There were gasps and screams in the courtroom. … My paramount concern was that the whole trial had the feel of a television show rather than a trial, and I think that's a shame."

Caught up in a frenzy

Heightening the frenzy, he said, was the Los Angeles location. Chernoff said he considered seeking a change of venue but was stumped for alternatives.

"This was not a situation like a murder only Houston, Texas, cares about," he said. "Where do you go? In theory, we may have had a better shot in northern California, but you don't get to choose where you go."
Chernoff said he unsuccessfully attempted to have jurors sequestered and television cameras barred from the courtroom.

"We spent a long time to get a jury that hadn't developed an opinion based on publicity, and with a lot of the jurors that we ultimately had to agree on, we couldn't be sure that they essentially weren't being influenced in that regard," Chernoff said. "We never knew what was going on outside with the jurors and possibly never will know."

Chernoff noted that jurors reported to the court that they had been contacted by media. Not being sequestered arguably left jurors vulnerable to outside influences, he said.

"Why put jurors in that situation?," Chernoff said. "Think of the pressure. How would they come back and say 'not guilty?'"

Jurors, he said, had a "hard, hard job. and they did an admirable job."

Uphill battle
In Houston, South Texas College of Law professor Geoffrey Corn monitored the trial, concluding that successfully defending Murray was an uphill battle.

"The standard against which he was held accountable - gross negligence - was not terribly hard to satisfy," he said. "What was presented in the case, allowing a patient to be on that type of medication in that environment, was not a standard of care most physicians would follow."

Chernoff did a "fine job" in his summation, Corn said. Prosecutors, he said, were "reasonable in the way they approached the case, and I think the jury recognized that."

Corn acknowledged that the trial unfolded under intense media scrutiny, but "any time you have a high-profile case you will have high-level publicity and a lot of emotions."

"I believe juries, once they are in the deliberation room, set that aside and view the case through a different lens," Corn said."If we don't believe that, then the foundation of our entire system crumbles."

allan.turner@chron.com


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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 7:50 am

posted by The Fairy on Wednesday, November 9th 2011
Crowding could impact jail time for Michael Jackson's doc
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2011-11-10 12:28 PM


Michael Jackson’s doctor is guaranteed to spend the next three weeks in jail awaiting sentencing for the pop star’s death.

But the amount of time Dr. Conrad Murray serves after that could be shortened because of the overcrowded prison system in California.

A recently enacted realignment plan diverts nonviolent offenders such as Murray from state prisons to county jails to save money and reduce the state prison population to obey a federal court order.

However, law enforcement authorities have said nonviolent offenders could be released earlier to make room for more serious offenders in county lockups.

Jail overcrowding led to Lindsay Lohan walking out of county jail Monday after spending less than five hours of a 30-day sentence behind bars for a probation violation.

A judge could sentence Murray to a maximum sentence of four years, but it would fall to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department to decide just how long he actually spends in county jail, based on time served, good behavior and other factors.

Even without realignment, a four-year sentence could be cut in half if Murray stays out of trouble in jail.

Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley has blasted the realignment plan, saying already overburdened counties can’t handle additional inmates.

In post-verdict comments, Cooley called the new law a “fool’s errand” and said Murray “is probably the first of many, many, many poster-children cases that will reveal how (the law) is potentially a complete failure, a criminal justice disaster and it will impact public safety.”

Terry Thornton, a spokeswoman with the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, declined to comment on how the realignment might affect Murray. Steve Whitmore, a spokesman for the Sheriff’s Department, also declined comment.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for supplying an insomnia-plagued Jackson with a powerful operating-room anesthetic to help him sleep as he rehearsed for his big comeback.

Murray, 58, sat stone-faced as he heard the verdict that could send him to prison and cost him his license to practice medicine. He was handcuffed and immediately led off to jail without bail to await sentencing Nov. 29.

Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor was harsh with his comments about Murray after the jury left the room.

“This is a crime where the end result (was) the death of a human being,” the judge said. “Dr. Murray’s reckless conduct in this case poses a demonstrable risk to the safety of the public” if he remains free on bond.

Defense attorney Ed Chernoff said the verdict was a disappointment and would be appealed.

Regarding Murray’s future, Chernoff said, “the keys to his handcuffs belong to the judge. We certainly would like to do anything we can to keep him from going to prison.”

Among the factors the judge will review are recommendations from the Probation Department, prosecutors and defense attorneys. Pastor also will consider that Murray has no previous criminal record and whether he poses a threat to the community.

Some legal experts said the notoriety of the case combined with Pastor’s comments mean Murray would likely receive the harshest sentence.

“I think judges do want to set an example,” said defense attorney Michael Rains, who represented ex-transit police officer Johannes Mehserle.

Mehserle was convicted last year of involuntary manslaughter for the shooting death of an unarmed man. He was sentenced to two years in prison but served only one.

“I believe it would be reasonable for the judge in this case to recognize it as one which will provide doctors important guidance to avoid over-prescribing drugs simply to satisfy the insatiable cravings of wealthy patients,” Rains said.

Other observers believe Murray is a good candidate for probation because of his good standing as a doctor prior to Jackson’s death and his previously clean record.

“The crime was involuntary manslaughter, and the key word is involuntary which suggests there was no intent,” said Martin Horn, former commissioner of New York City’s Department of Correction and Probation. “Do we need an ounce of flesh from this guy? Why have probation if we aren’t going to use it in a case like this?”

Had Murray been sentenced before Oct. 1, when the realignment plan took effect, he likely would have been sent to state prison to serve his term.

Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca has said he can initially accommodate an influx of new inmates. Nearly $1 billion a year that was converted from part of the state sales tax to a local sales tax will help pay for realignment along with more than $450 million from California’s vehicle license fee.

An annual state report notes the average time spent in California prisons last year for new male inmates convicted of manslaughter was just over nine years. The statistics do not distinguish between involuntary and voluntary manslaughter, a more serious offense.

Murray likely would face near solitary confinement in jail because of his high-profile status. He would be kept away from the general population in a cell by himself and be escorted by deputies when necessary for safety, authorities said.

Mehserle was only able to get out of his cell once a week and took showers twice a week while at a downtown Los Angeles jail, Rains said.

“It’s a very, very lonely existence and would be so for Dr. Murray,” Rains said.



Sheriffs: Murray a "Model Inmate"

Murray has been under close watch since being taken into custody Monday.


By Layne Kaplan
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 | 12:55 p.m. PST


Watch vid at link....

http://www.atvn.org/news/2011/11/sheriffs-murray-model-inmate
Conrad Murray is being held in a "keep away" cell at a Los Angeles jail, according to the LA County Sheriff's Department.

Steve Whitmore of the LA County Sheriff's Department says that Murray is being kept in this "hospital-like" cell for the safety and security of jail inmates.

But Whitmore said that Murray is acting like a "model inmate" and "is doing very well."

He will remain in this cell at the LA Twin Towers Correctional Facility until the judge gives further instruction on where Murray should be imprissoned.
Murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter earlier this week in the case of singer Michael Jackson's death. Murray was immediately taken into custody after the jury handed over their guilty verdict.

Judge Michael E. Pastor directed that he be placed behind bars while awaiting his Nov. 29 sentencing.

"This was a crime in which the end result was the death of a human being," Judge Pastor said Monday. "Public safety demands that he be remanded."


So Steve Whitmore from the Sheriff's Department looks to me like he just want to satisfy the reporters questions, saying "okay?"

Some of his comments make little sense

Quote :
"He is kept away from other inmates and thats for the safety and security of the jail"

"He is gonna be there for the end of this week and the first part of next, we dont know yet
Why would it be for the safety and security of the jail? The article states:

"for the safety and security of jail inmates"

but in the vid Whitmore says "of the jail", not the "jail inmates". I thought the official explanation would be they isolate him to protect him, not to protect the jail.. what do they want to prevent? That he offers everybody, both inmates and prison guards free Propofol?

The day before the same newspaper wrote:

Quote :
Murray is being housed in a medical section of the Twin Towers Correctional Facility and is being kept away from the general population for his own safety, according to the Sheriff's department.
And why only this week and maybe the beginning of the next? Did I miss something? Isnt he supposed to stay there until the sentencing? Or is the judge coming out with more instructions?

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 8:01 am

posted by The Fairy on Thursday, November 10th 2011
The media seems to be flooding with people telling bad stories of Michael which was to be expected at this point. Here is a post from



(an independent student voice) talking about why the media brings up the "Penn" case just as Murray is convicted and media talking of the allegations against Michael

Penn State, Michael Jackson coincidence

Oh how quickly things change.

Saturday, the Penn State football program and its fans were reveling in the incredible feat reached by legendary coach Joe Paterno. Four days later, Nittany Lions nation sits shell-shocked, numbed by the alleged transgressions surrounding former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

The number of victims (nine), the quote from one victim's mother and the program's alleged passivity to Sandusky's transgressions are almost as surreal as they are appalling. I don't need to get into the particulars because if you are not yet informed as to what is going on in University Park, Pa., you will be soon.

What does not surprise me, however, is the timing in which these allegations have flooded the media. With Paterno having just passed Grambling's Eddie Robinson for most division one wins - with 409 coming against Illinois Saturday, and the Nittany Lions sitting atop the Big Ten's Leaders division - it is the perfect and most dramatic time for the unveiling of these abominations. After all, it is not as if the investigation began this week.

Yet what is even more ironic is the fact the Sandusky news hit the public during the same week Conrad Murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. It is as if the ghost of Michael Jackson has returned to pass the torch of shattered reputations to Sandusky.

Or could this odd coincidence be a premeditated scheme orchestrated by the divine to remind us we shouldn't be surprised by the news, using Michael Jackson and his reputation - complicated by the binary of his music and personal life - metonymically. Or maybe it is instead reminding us not to jump to conclusions. After all, Jackson was innocent...

Or is it not ironic or coincidental at all that the Murray and Sandusky news dropped the same week? Rather, it is just a ploy by media executives to increase readers and viewership.

I'm not sure about you, but I'm leaning toward the latter.



http://www.bgnews.com/sports/penn-state-michael-jackson-coincidence/article_1a84795c-0a99-11e1-89a1-001cc4c03286.html

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 8:11 am

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Posted on Nov 08, 2011 @ 04:00AM
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By Jen Heger,
Radar Legal Editor

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney David Walgren has told Katherine Jackson that he supports Michael Jackson's three children, Prince, Paris and Blanket, participating in Dr. Conrad Murray's sentencing on November 29, 2011, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

Dr. Conrad Murray was convicted Monday of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the death of Michael Jackson on June 25, 2009.

As RadarOnline.com previously reported, Michael's two oldest children, Prince and Paris, had told their grandmother Katherine they wanted to testify in Murray’s trial, but ultimately, the D.A. decided not to call Jackson's children.
"The D.A. has told Katherine Jackson that the children could submit a letter for one of the family members to read at the sentencing. If either one of them wish to address the court, he will fully support the children, and make whatever accommodations need to be made. It's still unclear if the children will be in court for sentencing, Katherine Jackson is very protective of the children. If Katherine has her way, they won't be anywhere near the courthouse for sentencing," a Jackson family insider tells RadarOnline.com.
The Jackson family will be allowed to address Judge Michael Pastor on November 29 at Murray's sentencing. "Michael comes from a very large family, and they were in court for the entire trial. The DA will be talking to the Jackson family as the sentencing date draws closer. It's a very fluid situation, but it's more than likely that more than two Jackson siblings will be speaking. Katherine Jackson hasn't decided if she will make public comments in court," the source says.

Dr. Conrad Murray was remanded into custody pending his sentencing. He could face up to four years in state prison.



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Posted on Nov 10, 2011 @ 06:00AM
WENN

By Jen Heger,
Radar Legal Editor

Dr. Conrad Murray and one of his lawyers, Michael Flanagan have parted ways, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

The cardiologist was convicted of involuntary manslaughter on Monday, in connection with the death of his former patient, pop superstar Michael Jackson. Los Angeles Judge Michael Pastor remanded Dr. Murray into custody, citing security concerns, immediately after the jury delivered the verdict.

Ed Chernoff, Dr. Murray's lead attorney, says they plan on appealing the verdict, but they will be doing now without one of their original team.
"Michael [Flanagan] wants absolutely nothing to deal with the appeal. He will most likely be at the sentencing, but after that, his work on the case is essentially over," a source close to the situation tells RadarOnline.com. "Ed and Michael aren't even talking to each other right now, and that has been the status quo for at the past two weeks,".

As RadarOnline.com previously reported, Chernoff, Dr. Murray's lead attorney, is from Houston, Texas and had been staying with Flanagan to save his client money. However, Ed moved out from Flanagan's posh digs in San Marino, just two weeks into the trial.

"Ed didn't like the way Michael was handling the prosecution witnesses. Ed felt that Michael was too abrasive and caustic with his questioning and that Michael allowed witnesses to clarify points that only helped the prosecution's case. Things were getting very tense and he's moved into a hotel in Santa Monica," an insider told RadarOnline.com about the sudden move.

Another source of strife between the former legal buddies was Flanagan's decision to order a study be done on Beagle dogs. The beagles were given propofol, to try to back up the defense's claim that Michael Jackson died at his own hand after drinking the powerful anesthetic.
"It just didn't make any sense to Ed that Michael would have a study conducted on the dogs. How are dogs and humans the same, if the defense were going to pursue that theory at trial? The D.A. actually had volunteers, including Dr. Shafer drink propofol, and their test concluded that dying from drinking propofol was nearly impossible," the insider tells RadarOnline.com.
After RadarOnline.com's exclusive report about the pooches being given propofol, animal rights group PETA demanded a federal investigation.
PETA (the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals organization) filed a complaint with the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) alleging "cruel drug toxicity tests on beagles commissioned by the defense team of Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician now on trial for his alleged role in Michael Jackson's death.

"PETA asserts that if attorneys from Flanagan, Unger, Grover & McCool did commission the tests for the drug propofol -- the toxic effects of which have been extensively studied in dogs and humans -- those tests were likely conducted in violation of the federal Animal Welfare Act's prohibition against tests on animals that duplicate previous experiments. PETA has filed a complaint with the State Bar of California as well."

Flanagan's fate was finally sealed however when he decided to go on a media blitz after Dr. Murray was convicted on Monday.

Page Six reported that Flanagan was picked up at the courthouse by a chauffeur to take him on a first class flight to New York City to appear on The Today Show. Flanagan appeared on The Today Show during the third hour, for approximately 30 seconds.

Dr. Murray will be sentenced on Tuesday, November 29.


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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 8:21 am

posted by Fairy on Thursday, November 10th 2011
Media blitz

Last Updated: 12:18 AM, November 8, 2011

See ya, Conrad Murray. As he was led away in handcuffs having been convicted of involuntary manslaughter, a Town Car hired by the “Today” show swooped up to the LA courthouse to chauffeur his lawyer, J. Michael Flanagan, to a first- class flight to New York. Sources tell us he’s staying at the luxurious Jumeirah Essex House on Central Park South. Flanagan’s receptionist confirmed to us that he would be on “Today” this morning. NBC News bought documentary footage from a production company that was also shopping an interview with the doctor, as Page Six reported. An NBC rep told us, “Neither Dr. Murray nor his legal defense were compensated in any way.”
Michael Flanagan


http://www.jumeirah.com/Hotels-and-Resorts/Destinations/New-York/Jumeirah-Essex-House/

Interview with Conrad Murray is posted at:

http://www.igroops.com/members/httpfairycom/comm/READ/00009837/Conrad-Murray-Filming-and-Shopping-Documentary.html
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 8:24 am

posted by Nimue on Thursday, November 10th 2011

Wow.. it is crazy.

TMZ says different:

Conrad Murray Legal Team
We Didn't Get a Red Cent From Doc Murray Doc



Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team didn't get any money -- directly or indirectly -- from the Murray documentary that's about to air on MSNBC ... this according to sources directly connected to the Dr.'s defense team.

There are reports out today that MSNBC funded Murray's legal defense, but our sources say it is "absolute B.S."

We're told Murray's lead attorney, Ed Chernoff, is about to leave the case -- possibly before an appeal is filed -- because he needs to get back to his practice in Houston and make some money, because the Murray case almost put him under.

We're told Murray got $1 for his participation in the documentary. But the people who are saying he got a buck will not say if he'll share in profits from selling the show.


Who is leaving Flanofol or Ed Turn-off?

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/legal-defense-team-murray-documentary-no-money/#.TrvtRVaaDh4

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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 8:27 am

posted by The Fairy on Friday, November 11th 2011
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- Larry King: Conrad Murray Shouldn't Have Been Remanded



Larry King: Conrad Murray Shouldn't Have Been Remanded

TV and radio broadcaster Larry King is seen out and about in Los Angeles. When asked about the Conrad Murray trial, Larry tells the photographers that Murray should not have been remanded. He also tells them that as he is part of a group that is in talks to buy the baseball team the Los Angeles Dodgers, he is hopeful that he will be able to buy them.

Larry King is well known for hosting the popular TV show Larry King Live, from 1985 until 2010. Los Angeles, California - 08.11.2011



http://www.contactmusic.com/celebrity-videos/larry-king-out-and-about-in-los-angeles_11119
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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 8:30 am

posted by Nimue on Friday, November 11th 2011

This is MJHE video. She missed the reason number 7: In a guilty verdict there is a victim and there is a date for a crime, not an alleged victim for an alleged incident in an alleged date...



Another interesting video. The first part is pretty much what was said on Kingdown52 video, but the second part of the video about the items that will go in auction from the house is interesting..

Michael's handwriting: Work Song: VERDICT - 7 digits



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PostSubject: Re: Comments about the trial   12th October 2013, 8:36 am

posted by MaryJo on Tuesday, November 15th 2011

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Just got word that judge Pastor denied our request for cameras in the courtroom tomorrow. We'll be tweeting. Hearing scheduled for 8:30 am.

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Tomorrow there's contempt of court hearing for Dr. Paul White, defense's Propofol expert. He allegedly violated Judge's order during trial.

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No further proceeding for Kimes, a 43-year-old mother of 4. She was banned from the courtroom for the remainder of the trial.

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Judge Pastor considered the fact she came forward within minutes acknowledging she had lied. "This is sufficient in my world to let it go".

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Kimes wrote letters of apology to the court and said she was undergoing treatment for confusion & memory loss. She said she was very nervous

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Kimes was called into court and lied to the judge saying she hadn't taken the pix. Minutes later she realized her mistake & told the bailiff

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Kimes told the judge she was under extreme pressure and took the picture to show there were MJ's fans present in court that day.

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Amy Kimes, a leader of Justice4MJ group, came to court this morning and apologized for making "a stupid mistake... A dumb thing".

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On a lighter note, Judge Pastor dismissed the possible contempt of court charge against a woman who took pictures in the hallway.

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Matthew Alford is facing contempt of court charges for giving an exclusive interview to a morning show when judge had a gag order in place.

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Body attachment is also another way of saying person should be brought 2 court in custody as opposed to free will since he hasn't cooperated

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Judge said he'll issue body attachment (arrest warrant) if there's no explanation by Nov. 29. Body attachment means person is uncooperative.

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Judge Pastor said he wants to know all the details of trial that prevented Alford from being here: type of case, name/phone # of judge in TX

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The clerk said she received call from Alford's secretary yesterday saying the attorney was in trial in Houston and would not be able 2 come

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Judge Pastor said he will hold the order until Nov. 29, when he expects Alford to explain, in writing, why he wasn't in court today.

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Judge Michael Pastor ordered, but has not yet issued, a body attachment on Alford,
which means arrest warrant for his unwillingness 2 appear

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Attorney Matthew Alford, partner in defense attorney's Ed Chernoff firm, did not appear for the court hearing today.


http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/conrad-murray-suicide/

Conrad Murray
I Want to Commit Suicide



Dr. Conrad Murray has been telling people who have visited him in jail ... he no longer has the will to live and he wants to kill himself.

We're told Murray cannot cope with the fact that he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, and even though his lawyers told him he needed to be prepared for the possibility of a guilty verdict, it never computed with him.

Sources tell us, Murray has told various people he wanted to kill himself, including baby mama Nicole Alvarez, his bodyguard Jeff and his lawyers. He's told all of them he's lost his will to live.

We've also learned Murray remains in the medical ward at L.A. County Jail, which is where he's been for more than a week.

Sources directly connected with Murray tell us he has no physical ailments and he is there because he's on suicide watch.

Steve Whitmore, the spokesperson for the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept., tells TMZ they will not comment on why Murray has been in the medical ward, adding, "A person's medical or mental health status in the Los Angeles County Jail is protected under the law."

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