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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 6:28 pm

Posted by Nimue March 17th 2011

Thanks MaryJo. It is interesting, first time I see this video. The girl says clearly that there were 3 ambulances, if we take out the fire engine, still 2 ambulances were there.

It seems there were more people outside them the traditional footage showed to us. She says something about open vans circulating around and blocking the ambulances and in the all footage we see from that day only Ben's team was outside.

What this witness said does not add up with the Ben's footage we saw... maybe Ben's footage is from the: "the day... the other day"...

They say detectives were there, but have you noticed how many cars got in the house at the night?

It seems Michael was having a party.
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 6:29 pm

Posted by Nimue May 2nd 2011


An interview with Ben about Jun 25 footage:

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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 6:31 pm

Posted by The Fairy May 2nd 2011

I wonder why he is showing us the framed articles in a Norwegian version....

Interesting that the staff was leaving... If their boss is taken really ill, why would they leave?

If he was leaving or had already left for the hoax it makes more sense...
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 6:34 pm

Posted by MaryJo May 2nd 2011

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Quote from mjmtc on Monday, May 2nd 2011 @ 8:45 PM

I wonder why he is showing us the framed articles in a Norwegian version....

Interesting that the staff was leaving... If their boss is taken really ill, why would they leave?
The staffs leaving looks staged.

I've often wondered why the staff is leaving thru front of the house, gated driveway entrance??

I would think the staff has their own private gated entrance possibly at the side or rear of the house.

And why are they walking?? dont they have cars?

Its like they wanted their leaving to be caught on video tape. STAGED

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Quote from mjmtc on Monday, May 2nd 2011 @ 8:45 PM

If he was leaving or had already left for the hoax it makes more sense...
At the time the staff left they didnt know he had passed so why would they leave just becuz he went to hospital??

You're right Fairy. It makes sense they knew they're service was done, it was quitting time & so they left.


At :26 we see Chris and Ben in the picture...Whos photographing the picture??
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 6:46 pm

Posted by MaryJo August 19th 2011

At 1:04 we can see the rear of the ambulance, doors opened, parked / positioned directly on the other side & up close to the frontgate & we're told Mikes being put into rear of ambulance...we can see something to the effect of this but not clearly Mike.



At 1:47 we see that the ambulance pulled into the driveway & it pulls up to the house & out of sight and we can clearly see that its NOT parked directly on the other side of the frontgate like we're being showed in Bens other video.



My comment: In the first video, its Bens job / Ben being paid to convince the public and he creates the illusion by positioning the ambulance on other side of frontgate so that we can see activity at the rear of the ambulance. When in reality the ambulance wasnt even parked there.

Maybe thats the day and the the other day...


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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 6:50 pm

Posted by GailShaw August 19th 2011

So much to take in here.



This is the Hollywoodtv video as above,which also shows the no17 Starline Tour Bus convientley arriving at 1.51secs.As we can see the ambulance is backing out ,but at 1.46sec just before the Tour bus arrives it is backing out again.So is there some editing going on here,because how confusing to viewers watching this on TV.It appears as if there are 2 ambulances.

Also if you notice the firetruck guy is already in the driveway and at .24secs just so happens to look back,maybe checking to see if Bens got all the footage.

As we all know they were definitely in know hurry to get Michael to the hospital.

if you look at 1.06sec there is vision of one orange cone.

Also if you look at 1.57sec there are no orange cones on the road next to the fire-truck.He starts to take them out at 2.05sec,and is chatting to someone on the Tour Bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wrOCJ4aOr14
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Now here is footage of no17 Starline Tour Bus .Also if you look at this ambulance I feel that the windows look narrower,and the actual ambulance looks smaller[not as wide].

Now if you look at the footage at .15sec you can see the orange cones.Also the fire-truck guy doesn't speak to the Tour Bus people at all, he is out on the street,and appears to be directing the ambulance driver.

And then we see the entourage of SUV'S following.

So I feel yes the first video,just before the Tour Bus arrives is that day,Bens quote........

And when the Tour Bus arrives is the other day........the 25th June 2009.......when the whole world heard The Breaking News.

Definitely an illusion played out here,just like the Helicopter ride.

No wonder these transcripts contradict what really happened.........its hard when its all lies,because a lie becomes the truth.

This is my opinion anyway,and intepretation of events that day.

Lets not forget Kenny also said...the illusion was to begin the 25th June 2009.
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:08 pm

Posted by The Fairy August 20th 2011

Okay I tried to slow the video down which Ben posted... You will see at least three bodyguards (all dressed in black suit, white shirt, dark tie)

.... but no paramedics.... noone in uniform.

Ben says that now we are watching Michael being carried to the ambulance on the stretcher.... I really dont see the stretcher... I think this is the kind of illusion trick used many times in this hoax..

It is a very normal way ppl conceive things. When we witness any scene or hear any story, it is only fragments that we pick up on. But the human mind will add our own missing parts and holes in the story.

In this case we dont see the stretcher and we dont see Michael. But we are told that there is a stretcher and Michael... and this is what we see more or less.

Lets try to do a headcount... who is in the yard...? Bodyguards... Paramedics... Others...?

And who is the person being escorted inside the car?

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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:11 pm

Posted by Nimue August 20th 2011

Thanks Fairy.. Really good video. One thing for sure there is NO gurney in the picture.

Someone was taken inside of the SUV but not inside of the ambulance.

At 4:03 - we have Alberto blocking and Faheem coming to the gate, behind Alberto and the guy with short sleeve's shirt in the back.

This guy some hoaxers believe it was Michael, but clearly from your video we can see it is not him.

There is another guy at 6:17 close to the ambulance door, first he is bending and after while he is straight. There is only shadows for this guy, no shadow from others paramedics, gurney.Remember there were 5 (FIVE) paramedics transporting the gurney to the ambulance.

This guy looks like a paramedic, maybe Godwin, I am not sure.

The guy with short sleeves I am not sure, does not look like paramedics or bodyguard. I will try to watch again.

Just a note: At Senneff testimony he describes the bodyguards DARK SHADES, in your video Fairy, neither Alberto or Faheem were wearing DARK SHADES.


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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:15 pm

Posted by The Fairy August 20th 2011

Gail talked about there being two ambulances and it is true that Ben's vid has been edited a lot to confuse the ppl watching it. The comparison Im about to show has been showed many times before. The shadows dont match in the two videos and the garbage bins and so on. Like Gail said I believe that there were not only two sets of footage taken and probably on two different days.

When you try to insert Ben's vid into 'Hollywood TV's vid they dont match at all. The guy I call PM in the vid is the from the ambulance team/firefighter and BG is the bodyguard and they dont even stay in the same side of the road from one vid to the next...

When in the end the tour bus shows up at looks like a scene taken from a tour round Hollywood Studios like from 'Moonwalker'... tourists out to see how the hoaxvid is being recorded....



Ben's vid inserted in the Hollywood vid

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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:16 pm

Posted by Nimue August 20th 2011

Fairy you are on fire today...wow..Cool

Wow.. I wish my eyes could aplit and watch each part at the same time.. hehehehe, to see more details. I am still processing but my brain is fighting back. I can see the players are in different sides comparing the 2 videos.

Also I noticed with the open gate we cannot see the frontdoor of the house, there is no angle, so the ambulance should be really close to the gates.

But at the end of this video "Hollywood TV", the part with the Tour bus, I am not sure. I think is not when the ambulance is leaving or left,I got the impression that the ambulance was getting in the house, so the Tour bus would be around 12:26.

I don't know. I will watch more times, anyway the video is clearly staged.
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:21 pm

Posted by MaryJo August 20th 2011

I see ambulance rear door opened and someone intentionally photoshopped / whited out the stretcher image on the video film, its been touched up / wiped out.



Here I see the back of paramedic head and I see a head with black hair laying down on the stretcher going headfirst into the rear of ambulance.



This is back of head of someone looking over the patient being placed inside the ambulance



IMO the people seen going to the cars is the bodyguards putting the kids in the cars.

MY comment: in conclusion, theres a patient on a stretcher going into the back of ambulance.
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:22 pm

Posted by Nimue August 20th 2011

Well, I don't see any strechter, if you look at the ground there is no shadow. I mean "this strechter has no shadow. There were 5 paramedics plus Murray alleged with the strechter and we can see only 2 shadows, one from a person to the right (a person who seems to be dressed as a paramedic) and one from the guy with short sleeves t-shirt. No other shadow can be seen.The white we see is the effect of the sun in the angle of the camera, I think.

If there was a strechter there it had no shadow.

The children were 3 and I don't see 3 persons getting in the car, just one. Michael Amir placed the children inside the Escalate before the person came down from the second floor of the house and Michael Amir was wearing a suit.
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:28 pm

Posted by MaryJo August 20th 2011

I circled the shadow underneath the stretcher & you can see the wheels. Theres so much glare from the sun, that allot of the shadows wouldnt be seen anyway...shadows have been eliminated by the sun.



In the picture I see, the back of 1 head, the stretcher, patients face, head & hair laying down, open ambulance rear doors.

The field of vision in this video is very limited. Theres noway of telling at this time, how many paramedics or how many bodyguards are present..



Whats this image??

In the first picture they have their back to the gate and then in the second picture they have turned around and are facing the gate, looks like they have white (nurse?) hat on.

They have dark curly hair and they're right up close to the gate.



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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:30 pm

Posted by Nimue August 21st 2011

I think is a optical illusion. I think we have Alberto, Faheem behind him and the reflection of the sunlight on the SUV window behind them.

It is all an illusion. As Fairy said, they say one thing in the media and our mind plays tricks on us, placing the image where they said it "was" and we fill the gaps with our own interpretation.
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:33 pm

Posted by MaryJo August 21st 2011

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Nimue: "I think is a optical illusion. I think we have Alberto, Faheem behind him and the reflection of the sunlight on the SUV window behind them."
My comment: This is not an illusion...theres definitely activity & stuff going on behind the gates.

At :40 I see a person standing upclose to the gate facing the SUV, I can see the side of their face, ear & dark long curly hair & shoulders they have white hat on.

At :41 he flips around and faces the gate...I can see their sideburn, dark hair and shoulders, side of their body. The person is standing right on the other side of the gate from Bens camera.

I'm reposting Fairys video so easier to see


Its not Faheem or Alverez...Faheem & Alverez dont have long dark curly hair w/sideburns.

The person is peaking out from between the cracks of the closing gate while Faheem is trying to shield the cracks with his hand & Bens camera is right there on the other side looking in. Alvarez is further back and so is SUV.

Also, why does the gate keep opening & closing...once its closed it should stay closed, but its like they keep opening it so we can see more
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:46 pm

Posted by Nimue August 21st 2011

I took some screen shots to show what I meant in previous posts:



This is the misterous guy (number 1) helping one person to get in the SUV. I marked the 2 shadows on from the guy#1 and from an person. This is at 1:08. Look the direction of the shadow, I will post another one showing this quite different.



This one is at 1:19. We can see the person is an adult (look the height compare to the guy#1) and the legs are spread like jumping in the back of the car.



This is the guy #1, blue t-shirt short sleeves, no uniform.



At 4:07 Alberto at front and Faheem at the back





The guy #1. He has short hair, maybe a little bit overweight. This is at 4:39
Now this guy again:


What is interesting in this one is the direction of the shadow, compare with other shot close to the SUV. By the way, a long shadow for 1 pm with the sun so high.



At 6:09 the ambulance door seems to be closed.


At 6:35 we see the guy number 2. He seems to be a paramedic, blond maybe..







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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:55 pm

Posted by MaryJo August 21st 2011



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Picture Key

A= Frontgate where Ben was shooting video

B= House Frontdoor

C= Pond

X= Ambulance


According to the transcript the ambulance traveled this path:


This picture shows ambulance path / how we saw it in the video when ambulance backs out of driveway.



This picture shows where the ambulance was parked when the paramedics were loading the patient / Fairys slow motion video. Ambulance is parked way far away from front doors.






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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:58 pm

Posted by The Fairy August 21st 2011

Very nice Mary Jo... it was good to have an overview of things...The way the ambulance drove around the pond makes no sense. The fastest way would be to go by the green line..

Usually an ambulance should get to the location asap and stabilize the patient and then of course also hurry back to the hospital, but they are more in a hurry to get to where the patient is and actually give first aid to the patient.

They said they drove by this red line and the only advantage that would give them was they could leave fast. But still they had the ambulance parked with the front towards the house (after the bodyguard told them where to park... crazy remark) and front towards the house would delay them in getting the stretcher in the ambulance.

And to make matters worse they parked (where the bodyguard told them to park) right in front of the gate (like Mary Jo said)


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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 7:59 pm

Posted by Nimue August 21st 2011

Thanks MaryJo, I knew you would remember that. Following this description we find another contradiction, In this way the front of ambulance would be facing the exit, so no need to back out through the gates. Even if the ambulance took the path Fairy drew, the short route, there was no way to get any shot from the gates and still the ambulance could leave without backing out.
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 8:00 pm

Posted by The Fairy August 21st 2011

Some footage showing the entrance to the house and the bedroom, the kitchen and the staircase. They talk a lot about the fact there was no phone in the master bedroom and Chernoff excuses Murray by saying the bed was rather firm... the short footage of the ambulance and the tourist bus I havent seen before from this side

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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 8:06 pm

Posted by Nimue August 21st 2011

The room in this video was Michael's bedroom, but it was not the bedroom the patient was. The bedroom described by the paramedics is this one:



The bed is different and we can see the foyer they talk about. I saw another pic of this bedroom where we can see the phone




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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 8:09 pm

Posted by The Fairy August 21st 2011

Here he is talking about the vid we already saw and he is counting how many people where in the street as the ambulance left and showing footage of himself following the ambulance in his own car.. and yes no police cars... no emergency lights on the ambulance... and we see Alvarez trying to get the paps to leave outside the hospital...



It also sounds like they are trying to question Mark Godwin and why he as a paramedic couldnt find a vein on this patient when Blount claims it is so easy to find even on people who are drug addicted or with multiple tattoos.

Last version of "The ambulance getting ready to leave Carolwood Dr", this time less slow than the first one I posted. Sometimes it is easier to see the details when it is very slow and other times the slowness and the lighting makes it more difficult. So this one is 1/10 of the speed of the original one
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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   22nd September 2013, 8:18 pm

Posted by MaryJo August 22nd 2011

The right side of the gate only opens this far.


Looking at the other side of the gate I understand why.

Picture key

A = Frontgate w / arrow shows how far the gate can swing open before it hits the wall.

B = Gate corner Ben filmed thru

C = Curved wall on other side of gate

D = Field of vision Bens camera sees thru the closing gate corner and the area where all the action takes place in Fairys slow motion video.

E = Driveway inside the gate

F = Driveway outside the gate




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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   23rd September 2013, 7:04 am

Posted by GailShaw August 22nd 2011

Thank-you for all of this brillant break down of that day.

Also the break down of the transcripts is amazing.I have to keep going back over information.There is so much there to absorb.

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PostSubject: Re: 911 call - ambulance - helicopter   23rd September 2013, 7:12 am

Posted by Nimue August 22nd 2011


Ok I took some screen shots from the SUV the one close to the ambulance. The ambulance had to be really close to the gates:

The first one the ambulance it was supposed to be inside already, it is from Ben's video:



The bodyguard at the back of this pic. is standing where the SUV will be parked. Look the ambulance was already inside to the right, according to Ben and a SUV is pulling out from there.

The next one is for Fairy, the white car Fairy saw is here:


Now, back to the SUV that was parked close to the ambulance and were someone was put inside:


This SUV was close to the ambulance and as MaryJo point out far way to the frontdoor, but close to the ambulance.

From another footage:



Just remembering:



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