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PostSubject: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:26 am

Posted by The Fairy February 22nd 2011

I would like to stress this is NOT my post, but borrowed from another hoaxsite and all credits go to the member there...


How many helicopter flights were we presented "live"?
credits to a member on another hoaxsite

This has been an interesting part of the journey... I stumbled upon the many versions of "live" media reports distributed to several country news stations and broadcasted from there.

I have not counted how many filming helis were present - all taking their videos from different angles, close-ups and heights.
But I think it is safe to say that we witnessed at least 3 versions of the Sheriff chopper Rescue #5 flight - all identified by the public as being the same ride because a man was standing in the door - this small hence important identification part was included only to incorporate pure illusion. Let's see why the heli ride was an illusion.

This is a very interesting overview map for the events in Michael Jackson's life and death, all credits to LA Times, giving Carolwood mansion and UCLA (red frame) and the coroner's office (blue frame):

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-michaeljackson-map-bw,0,1117906.htmlstory

So the main task for the heli ride was to get from place A (red frame) to place B ( blue frame) - literally going from west to east. We did not quite see that straight approach in the videos though.

1) Let's start with a video broadcasted by French television.
Watch the shadows. The heli is located at the western heli port of UCLA, Ronald Reagan Medical center. Its front is pointing to southeast (pink arrow), sunlight is full on its door-open side, yet low as it's late afternoon. We have long shadows. On the other heli port there's a second small helicopter (green arrow).

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We would expect the heli to take off and go straight to the east, right? (Green arrow in map 2 below.) The french reporters however state that the chopper is taking off to the west (blue arrow in map above) and they are even indicating it is heading towards the "rich quarters" of Los Angeles, to "West Hollywood, Malibu". Watch the heli turn to the west, showing his left side to the bright sun, and watch for the shadows for the entire flight:

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The flight direction however changes from west to north-east - now the heli is flying "with the sun", thus having it shine on its back tail. The two pink arrows in map 2 are giving this "take-off" to the west and then to the north-east from UCLA heliport.

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2) We were watching the arrival at the Coroner's - actually it is a heliport close to USC Medical center and likely to be shared by both facilities.
The chopper arrived from north-west, landing position was again with the open door in full sunlight (pink arrow) and the van would take the blue arrow path (notice how many garbage bins are there). Credit to FoxNews.

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Now why would the chopper have to do this detour and remarkable sightseeing tour over the "beautiful quarters"?
Was there any reason to avoid directly following Wilshire Blvd or downtown L.A. (blue ring on map 2)?

No, there wasn't any reason to avoid downtown L.A. as we notice watching the following videos.


3) This video showing the broadcast of BBC has the chopper passing by downtown AON tower (see 1:12, video posted June 25, 2009).

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AON tower is located between 6th street and Wilshire Blvd, as we may search on this map (type AON tower and click on it):
http://www.you-are-here.com/info/map.html


4) However, in this video, the chopper is passing by downtown KPMG tower, which is located between 3rd and 4th street (see 0:04) - credit to SkyNews:



It is impossible to pass by AON tower and KPMG at the same time as both are located almost in parallel flight routes coming from the west (red and yellow line on map 2).
In addition L.A. downtown streets are directing to south-east and not to east and a chopper going that direction will end up somewhere in East Los Angeles (or at the filming location of the Thriller video).

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So which of the 3 versions (coming in to the coroner from the north, from AON tower or from KPMG tower) is the true video we are supposed to believe ?

Seems a sheriff's chopper in a movie does not always mean it's all real and true.

OBS: The images missing in the post came from MichaelJacksonDeathhoaxInvestigators forum


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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:30 am

Posted by GailShaw August 18th 2011

I have been searching around looking for a video of the 'body'being carried from the roof-top to the helicopter that I saw from CNN,but haven't had any luck.

The reason I want to post it is to see what you think of Tohme Tohme standing at the hospital doorway[our right]and then following the 'bodyáll the way down to the helicopter

I remember watching all of this unfold on the 25th June 2009[which was actually the 26th June 2009 in my country]and wondered how can this be real showing 'Michaels body'being carried down to the helicopter......is there no such thing as privacy?Also one of the commentaters actually says....''Is that Dr Tohme?"No one really answers him,and that was all that was said about him.Now if anyone was to be present wouldn't you think that it would have been his father Joe Jackson,but then later we get the comment from Joe from a Larry King interview about where is Michaels'body.....'.....'I don't Larry they haven't told me''...Weird answer.So of course if Tohme goes to the helicopter,why didn't he come back up?This has always bugged me from the beginning.[like so many other things as well]

Now we do see 2 helicopters here,and the 1st one has its propellers going ready for takeoff..........was this where the illusion began......Michael was in the 1st one while all eyes were on the 2nd one where they carried the body?An we all know that the 'body çertainly looked different when it arrived at the coroners van.

Or is this that day and the Oth... day like Bens slip-up......

But then also the whole helicopter flight looked so fake,so who knows.

Anyway here is what I found showing what I am talking about...........its from a hoax video back in 2009 that I came across what I was looking for.......if you start at 1.02 this is when the hospital doors open and you see Tohme.......its not that clear.........when I saw it on TV it was clearly him.Also there is a comment under the video asking the same question.



I am always grateful for your thoughts.

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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:31 am

Posted by NimueAugust 18th 2011

Yes this helicopter thing is still a hot topic of discussion. I read in another forum that the helicopter flew EAST instead of WEST as it should, and also the mention to USC not the coroner office.

I personally don't believe Michael left UCLA in any helicopter, I think he just walk through the crowed when everybody was looking up to the sky. It was a magic trick, you look to one hand and something is happening on the other hand.

I believe the helicopters were just decoys and the real action was on the ground. Well, just my opinion.

The only video with CNN logo I found was this one:

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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:34 am

Posted by GalShaw August 18th 2011

Yes Nimue you are probably right.He either walked out of the hospital ......In plain Sight.......or used the 1st helicopter and flew off the Neverland.............the least likely place that anyone would think he would be.

Tohme was all part of the illusion......just to create confusion.Can't make my mind up about Tohme.

Now because it was 2.2 years ago perhaps it was Fox News,but whoever had coverage of this flight,it all looked so fake anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:38 am

Posted by MaryJo August 18th 2011

Awhile back I posted these pictures in another thread.

Compare the stomach profile w/ Tohme walking accross the hospital stage.


W/ the man walking out to the helicopter...the man walking out to helicopter has bigger stomach profile.


You can tell the guy at the helicopter isnt Tohme.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:39 am

Posted by GailShaw August 18th 2011

Thanks for your reply Nimue.

I have to disagree about this not being Tohme.If you blow up the screen you can see him a lttle more clearly.

I wish I could find the other video that I saw,which actually zooms in on the hospital door opening,and its a real close up of Tohme I guess it probably doesn't really matter,but I still think he was there,and yes he was at the announcement,so he had plenty of time to get up to the roof top.

His name is Tohme Tohme......so perhaps there is 2 of them?

Someone else who viewed this video also noticed him,as they made a comment under the video.

Sorry I said Nimue instead of Mary-Jo.

I will search around and try and find the video which shows the hospital door opening,waiting for the transportation of 'the body'to the helicopter.

Cheers

And the commentator mentionned Tohme

.Also where is Tohme if he was such a big part of Michaels life in the last year[2008-2009]?

All part of the grand illusion.

This is my opinion of course,but I am convinced thats him.

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I hope I don't sound harsh.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:42 am

Posted by MaryJo August 18th 2011

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Thanks for your reply Nimue.

I have to disagree about this not being Tohme.If you blow up the screen you can see him a lttle more clearly.
It could be that the wind from the helicopter propeller blade blew his shirt so it puffed out to make it look like big stomach. But even so he looks like a bigger built man than Tohme that walks accross the stage.

Regardless.

My question has to be...where did he go?? did he board the helicopter?? and if he boarded the helicopter, why dont we see him get off the helicopter when they take the body out??

OR did he turn around & walk back to the hospital & if he walked back to the hospital, why did he walk out there in the first place??

He just seems to disappear, just part of the illusion.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:44 am

Posted by Nimue August 18th 2011

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Yes Nimue you are probably right.He either walked out of the hospital ......In plain Sight.......or used the 1st helicopter and flew off the Neverland.............the least likely place that anyone would think he would be.
I would do that if I was him. Everybody was looking at the sky, the paparazzis where trying to get pics from the helicopter and running to the coroner, no one not even the fans would be looking on the streets. Even if he was not wearing any disguise he could walk around and people would think it was a impersonator, there are so many of them at LA.

Also, I found odd that his body guards didn't go with the family or the children. They stayed behind and the family and children left alone, unguarded.

Now reading the testimonies from Alberto ( I already posted at Hearings and contradictions) and Faheem, they confirmed they weren't supposed to go back to Carolwood. They went there only because it was said the cops wanted to talk to them. But with Alberto the cops talked for only few minutes and the same with Faheem.

Pretty odd, the children and the family with no bodyguards with so many paparazzis around.

Why do they stay behind?

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Tohme was all part of the illusion......just to create confusion.Can't make my mind up about Tohme.
Thome is a weird player on this. I do think he is with the bad guys, but he seems to appear and disapper too fast.


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My question has to be...where did he go?? did he board the helicopter?? and if he boarded the helicopter, why dont we see him get off the helicopter when they take the body out??

OR did he turn around & walk back to the hospital & if he walked back to the hospital, why did he walk out there in the first place??
I think Thome didn't get on board on the helicopter. I think he walked back to the hospital. The video was cut and we don't see he walking back. Maybe he was up there for the press..

How the helicopter from the press would "know" that body was "a Michael body" if no one known was there??

It was just a "body" wrapped on white sheet, so the media wouldn't think it was "a Michael body" if didn't have anyone up there.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:49 am

Posted by Nimue August 27th 2011

I found these videos at MJDHI forum and it is interessing. I took some screnshots. How many hellicopters were filming the "sheriff" helicopter at UCLA?

In this first video:

At 0:08 we can see 2 helicopters to the left (screen shots bello), and the sherif helicopter turns to the right or back of the video. Note at the right of the sherif's helicopter no other helicopter can be found:





Now to get the footage from the open door at the sheriff helicopter there should be a helicopter to the right, and we cannot find any in the sky at this footage.

Why should have an helicopter at the right? We can see it in the next video:




This is another footage of the sky, but I only see one helicopter, and a bird that crossing by:

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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:53 am

Posted by MaryJo August 27th 2011

We only see the helicopter taking off and landing...maybe theres someone filming the landing.



Coroners to hospital distance is 2 miles & takes 4 mins to drive by car.

Helicopters travel aprx 250 mph = aprox. 4 miles per minute.

It would take 30 seconds for the helicopter to travel 4 miles. From the hospital to coroners 30 seconds to travel 4 miles.

The video Nimue posted of helicopter in the sky is 1:16 long and at the end of 1:16 minutes the helicopter is still in the sky.

The helicopter traveling 2 miles should of landed in about 30 seconds.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:57 am

Posted by The fairy August 27th 2011

Nice work..

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I dont believe there was any helicopter filming the MJ helicopter up close. I believe it is simply video manipulation. If we watch this vid which I posted at the beginning of the thread, it doesnt look "real". It actually looks like a helicopter flying and the background added afterwards.
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We have a similar thing at the media coverage of 9-11 and this is often used by the media (here at 5:20)



If we assume the whole sequence from the official helicopter vid with the close up of the body in white moving was manipulated, then we only have a helicopter leaving the hospital and a helicopter arriving at the coroner. I dont believe there were any real footage taken showing the close up of the helicopter while airborne.

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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 10:58 am

Posted by Nimue October 5th 2011


Subject: The arm of a "dead" body moving

I posted a video of this guy in another thread about the "fake" memorial.

But I decided to open this topic because this guy is good. I don't believer he is a believer as us. He believes Michael is alive, but he is calling attention how we can deceived by the media.

In the first video she shows clearly the body under the white sheet at the helicopter moving his arm to his head.

The second video he shows the difference between the body that goes in and the one that comes out.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:00 am

Posted by MaryJo October 5th 2011

my comment: In the first video, I see the arm move.

I like youtubers videos, he explains what he sees.

The bottom line, it was staged, just like everything in his death has been staged.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:03 am

Posted by Nimue March 29th 2012

Credits to MJDHI forum. This is a video for Michael´s birhtday party at Los Angeles 2003:



At 0:03 something known by us shows up. Here is the screenshot:



It is too dark. I tried to make it clear, but I don´t know how.. MaryJo use to do that for me...

But it is the sheriff helicopter.. Is this a coincidence or the video was tampered to look like that?
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:13 am

Posted by The Fairy December 11th 2012

Different footage etc about people coming to UCLA June 25...
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:14 am

Posted by Nimue July 19th 2011

I found this video on MJHD.net and I haven't seen it before.

At the beginning... a police escort, like a presidencial parade..????????.

At 2:01 we can see that Thome Thome arriving to UCLA with Randy Phillips. I am not sure, but I thought Randy Phillips got there before or with the ambulance. However, Thome is walking around with Randy Phillips not with Jermaine.

At 3:55 - I think LaToya is leaving UCLA, driving with her brother Randy. She seems really calm for driving after a "tragic" event and Randy is relaxed by her side. If I am not mistaken, Randy got to UCLA with LaToya, if so where did they meet? It is another inconsistence because LaToya said she asked people on the street to drive her to the hospital:

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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:22 am

Posted by The Fairy July 19th 2011

Im not sure who the lady is who leaves her car in the beginning but why does the vid shows her leaving the car twice?

0:50-1.00 getting out of the car guarded by the police woman. The police woman thinks they are leaving.
1:04 the lady turns around to take out a kid from the back of the car
1:15-1:23 the lady, the boy and the policewoman heads for the building


1:25-1:32 its a new cut and we see them walking alongside the building

THEN SUDDENLY at 1:33 we are back at the car and the scene repeats itself


If we compare the two scenes it looks like it was shot twice... look at the guy in front of the picture...

First time it looks like the guy is standing further away from the car. We can clearly see the left tail light of the car



The guy is there and we see him as the lady, the boy and the policewoman walk towards the building


When the scene oddly enough repeats itself the guy now has his head in front of the left tail light of the car. How can the same footage even if it was two diff cameras have the buy standing at a different place?





Same scene but the guy is placed differently..

Was this shot twice like the ambulance leaving Carolwood dr?







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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:23 am

Posted by Nimue July 19th 2011

Have you noticed that this is not Ronald Regan Emergency building? It is David Saperstein Emergency entrance and is blocked by the cops (as a crime scene). This building has something to do with a "children" hospital 0:11 and 2:15/2:17

This parkinglot seems to be the same one where we see the bodyguards leaving with a strange man in a trench coat passing by (MaryJo posted this video)

I think there are 3 different shots. I could see the guy only at the 3rd cut. They say the name of this woman at 0:40.. Maura, Laura ??? but I cannot make it.

Anyone knows who are the guys at 3:06?

Katherine is leaving UCLA at 3:38 in the front seat of the car. I would expect her to be at the back seat with the children, if they were there.

All the family is leaving at this point, but Michael's bodyguards are not, they are not escorting the family.

By the way, I didn't see anyone in the cars, specially women, with any tissue in their hands or crying.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:27 am

Posted by jamie Douglas July 19th 2011

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Have you noticed that this is not Ronald Regan Emergency building? It is David Saperstein Emergency entrance and is blocked by the cops (as a crime scene). This building has something to do with a "children" hospital 0:11 and 2:15/2:17
Yep, very funny! I thought he went to a different hospital.

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I think there are 3 different shots. I could see the guy only at the 3rd cut. They say the name of this woman at 0:40.. Maura, Laura ??? but I cannot make it.
That woman is Rebbie's daughter and grandson.

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Quote from Nimue on Tuesday, July 19th 2011 @ 1:58 PM

Anyone knows who are the guys at 3:06?
no. Maybe, FBI????

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Quote from Nimue on Tuesday, July 19th 2011 @ 1:58 PM

Katherine is leaving UCLA at 3:38 in the front seat of the car. I would expect her to be at the back seat with the children, if they were there.

All the family is leaving at this point, but Michael's bodyguards are not, they are not escorting the family.
I find it odd there were no bodyguards with the family until Mike supposedly died. After he died, the bodyguards were with them everywhere. It's as if all their lives became in danger after the so-called tragic day, more so than when he was alive.

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Quote from Nimue on Tuesday, July 19th 2011 @ 1:58 PM

By the way, I didn't see anyone in the cars, specially women, with any tissue in their hands or crying.
NO! But, you can see the woman passenger "laughing" at 4:08.

I have a few things I heard with my headsets. I think it's the media, police, ????? referring to the ambulance. This is what I heard at

:57 man# 1: "He had no body"

:58 man #2: "No body?"

1:37 man#1 or #2???: "No body?"

I thought I just heard something else with the headsets. It's at the part where I hear the 2 men talking about the ambulance (I think). I think the men were papz or media or police.

:57 man#1: "He had NO body"

:58 man#2: "No body?"

:59/1:00 man#2: "it might be fake?"

1:02 man#1: "Probably"

1:04 man#1: "go ask them/him....."
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:43 am

Posted by MaryJo July 19th 2011

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Have you noticed that this is not Ronald Regan Emergency building? It is David Saperstein Emergency entrance and is blocked by the cops (as a crime scene). This building has something to do with a "children" hospital 0:11 and 2:15/2:17
My comment: It IS the same hosptial.

The opening of the new Ronald Reagan-UCLA Medical Center and the David I. Saperstein Emergency Department (ED) follows the lead set by the Santa Monica-UCLA Nethercutt Emergency Department through a new era of medical imaging for the emergency patients. The new ED is equipped with state-of-the-art direct digital (fig. 1) and computed radiography equipment to facilitate excellence in routine radiographic examinations. The ED has a new multidetector CT scanner (fig. 2) that supports a broad range of advanced imaging protocols that previously were in the exclusive domain of outpatient imaging centers.

http://www.radnet.ucla.edu/radweb/referral/news/DavidSapersteinED.jsp


In this blog they talk about the differences in the David I. Saperstein Emergency Center sign

http://michaeljacksonhoax.lefora.com/2010/05/15/michael-jackson-arrives-at-cedar-sinai-medical-cen/page2/

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This parkinglot seems to be the same one where we see the bodyguards leaving with a strange man in a trench coat passing by (MaryJo posted this video)I think there are 3 different shots. I could see the guy only at the 3rd cut. They say the name of this woman at 0:40.. Maura, Laura ??? but I cannot make it.Anyone knows who are the guys at 3:06?Katherine is leaving UCLA at 3:38 in the front seat of the car. I would expect her to be at the back seat with the children, if they were there.
I noticed she when she arrive at hospital shes in the front seat too...maybe she likes to sit in front.

In this video, I dont see the children at all.

I dont think the children were at the hospital that day.

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All the family is leaving at this point, but Michael's bodyguards are not, they are not escorting the family.By the way, I didn't see anyone in the cars, specially women, with any tissue in their hands or crying.
& Latoya waves like shes in a parade or something.

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My comment: In this video Randy Philips says he & his associate drove behind the ambulance to the hospital & that he waited with Frank Dileo for about an hour & a half in the waiting room while they worked on MJ. He doesnt say ANYTHING about Dr Thome Thome.

Nimue pointed out, in the Prince, Paris, Blanket and Family leaving the hospital on June, 25th 2009 video...Randy Philips and Dr Thome Thome are seen walking / arriving to the hospital together.

@ 6:10 he says Dr Murray told the kids that their father had passed. This is what Katherine said too.

@ 7:01 it sounds like Katherine was in a separate room from the kids when she was told about MJs passing.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:47 am

Posted by Nimue July 19th 2011

Sorry, the quote option seems to be fighting with me today;

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MaryJo wrote:My comment: It IS the same hosptial.The opening of the new Ronald Reagan-UCLA Medical Center and the David I. Saperstein Emergency Department (ED) follows the lead set by the Santa Monica-UCLA Nethercutt Emergency Department through a new era of medical imaging for the emergency patients.
Yes I know but it seems to be different buildings. Unfortunately I couldn't look at your second link, it didn't work for me.

When I said: "children hospital" is what is writen in the sign in front of the building.

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MaryJo wrote:I noticed she when she arrive at hospital shes in the front seat too...maybe she likes to sit in front.In this video, I dont see the children at all.I dont think the children were at the hospital that day.
The children were there, at least there is a footage showing them getting out or in the car. Michael Almir said he took the children to the hospital at the hearing.

But I would expect that after all the "bad news" the children would be with the closest relative to give them "comfort".. you know.. they would be "crying" and such.

So, I would expect them to leave the hospital with their grandmother. If so they would be at the back seat of the car and even if she likes to travel at the front seat I wouldn't expect the children to be left there with no one holding them, in the case of a real death.

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MaryJo wrote:& Latoya waves like shes in a parade or something.
Yeah.. most of the people leaving seems to be leaving a concert or a show, like the show is over.

Now the quote option works...

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My comment: In this video Randy Philips says he & his associate drove behind the ambulance to the hospital & that he waited with Frank Dileo for about an hour & a half in the waiting room while they worked on MJ. He doesnt say ANYTHING about Dr Thome Thome.
Nimue pointed out, in the Prince, Paris, Blanket and Family leaving the hospital on June, 25th 2009 video...Randy Philips and Dr Thome Thome are seen walking / arriving to the hospital together.

Yes. We see Thome by Jermaine side during the "annoucent of the hoax" but I haven't seen how Thome got there. I thought he was broght there by Jermaine, but it seems it was Randy Phillips the one which went out to get Thome.

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@ 6:10 he says Dr Murray told the kids that their father had passed. This is what Katherine said too.
@ 7:01 it sounds like Katherine was in a separate room from the kids when she was told about MJs passing.
I don't think Katherine was there at this time. As far as I can remember Katherine got there after 2:26 pm and LaToya later than that. Murray or Dileo, whoever may have told her something, but I think it was after 2:26 pm.

Also Michael's bodyguards stayed at the parking lot of the building and the family left. I wonder why...
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:50 am

Posted by MaryJo July 19th 2011

My comment: In this video Randy Philips says he & his associate drove behind the ambulance to the hospital & that he waited with Frank Dileo for about an hour & a half in the waiting room while they worked on MJ. He doesnt say ANYTHING about Dr Thome Thome.

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Nimue pointed out, in the Prince, Paris, Blanket and Family leaving the hospital on June, 25th 2009 video...Randy Philips and Dr Thome Thome are seen walking / arriving to the hospital together.
Yes. We see Thome by Jermaine side during the "annoucent of the hoax" but I haven't seen how Thome got there. I thought he was broght there by Jermaine, but it seems it was Randy Phillips the one which went out to get Thome.

My comment: Maybe when Randy Philips talks about being with his associate, maybe his associate is Dr Thome Thome.

Obviously this is the case, since we see Randy Philips and Dr Thome Thome walking into the hospital together...Dr Thome IS Randy Philips associate.

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I don't think Katherine was there at this time. As far as I can remember Katherine got there after 2:26 pm and LaToya later than that. Murray or Dileo, whoever may have told her something, but I think it was after 2:26 pm.
I remember reading that they waited to pronounce him dead until after Katherine arrived.

And Katherine says she waited a very long time to be told his condition, so Katherine must have arrived shortly after the ambulance...1:30 or so.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:54 am

Posted by Nimue July 19th 2011

I am working in a spy mode today:


It seems Taaj Malik posted this photos, I am not sure because it came from other forum:





Katherine looks sad, not crying or in despair, but sad.



For sure the children are not with Katherine, and I think they are leaving because we can see the stick "visitor" on her shirt.

Note: No one has the "swollen" nose that is usual after crying.
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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:57 am

Posted by MaryJo July 19th 2011

My comment: Randy Philips says he arrived to the hospital with his associate. His associate is Dr Tohme Tohme..they are associated thru marriage.
Dr Tohme is married to Randy Philips sister.

Michael Jackson Dr Tohme related to Randy Phillips by marriage

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PostSubject: Re: Helicopters 09/ UCLA   28th September 2013, 11:58 am

Posted by The Fairy July 19th 2011


If you remember one of my vids far back I talked about the rumors of Tohme Tohme being related to Randy Philips so this is nothing new to me.
I remember reading an unofficial statement from someone who was in Randy Philips entourage that day and he said that Randy Philips DID go there with Tohme Tohme and other members of AEG Live. Supposidly Randy Philips told one of the others to bring a camera, cause this would make good pictures. I dont think Randy Philips was allowed to see "Michael" let alone take pics and that must have been a disappointment. It is my opinion that Tohme Tohme has a bad role in trying to hurt Michael and I think Randy Philips would make sure not to mention he came to the hospital with him. Whenever Tohme Tohme has talked about Randy Philips he refers to him like they hardly know eachother.
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